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Hi, I have studied this fascinating Verge Pocket Watch with the Military Engraving and I have come to the conclusion that the Outer Case has worn out because of the Dust kicked up by marching feet or has been lost; not sure how. If it had a Gold Case it would have possibly been owned by an Officer. On second thoughts it would have been too expensive for a even a Foot Soldier in a Silver Case. The movement has the transition Tompion/Bosley I always associate with 1810. Keith



I think it is possible that this is in the original box and the outer case was lost - hence the hole in the box and the rotating dust cover. Originally I think it might have been similar to a pair cased half hunter. As to the date of the case, this set of marks could be 1794, it is possibly 1820, but I am not 100% certain. It is very difficult, I find, to distinguish the lower case 'w' for 1794 and the uppercase 'W' in 1820. The maker's mark [WR] in an oval cartouche was registered by William Riley of St John Street , Coventry on 27 March, 1793 - so that doesn't help.

1794 for the transitional regulator is early, but not that unusual, most examples I can remember are 1800 to 1815, but an example from 1820 would not surprise. So I would put the date of the movement 1790 to 1820, which is consistent with the hallmarks on the box. If the box is the original, then on the basis of the pendant I would say 1820 is more likely. Despite the ornament on the scale, I suspect it has its origin in Coventry.

Certainly different styles of engraving, from which it might be inferred done at different times. One possibility is that James Wallis was the original owner and if 1820 wasn't proceeded by 'N' it might have been a date - however pure conjecture.


There is another factor to consider; the dial is clearly that of a half hunter, and whilst not unknown, these are very unusually met with in pair cases. Additionally, the pendant is at XII, which is wrong for a half hunter, so perhaps the dial is a replacement rather than the case.
Graham - you are right to question my assertion that it may not have been re-cased, but not, I suggest, for the reasons you state.

I do not agree that pair cased half hunters are as uncommon as you imply. I have a number of Coventry made examples, including the Holmes in the link. I see them on the infamous auction site fairly regularly. I infer they were made in reasonable numbers in Coventry from about 1820 until 1840. Rotherhams certainly made them. When cased in that way the pendant is at XII.

However, in the pair cased examples it is the box that has the small window - which this clearly does not have. So it follows that even if my suggestion is correct and it was originally a pair cased half hunter, it has been re-cased. It will be interesting to see whether there is evidence that the dial is a replacement. I will have a look at the Dial Plate; I would be very pleased if it was in the original Case.
I think it is possible that this is in the original box and the outer case was lost - hence the hole in the box and the rotating dust cover. Originally I think it might have been similar to the pair cased half hunter I posted
There is no sign that the Dial is not original; no Dial Feet change, I am very happy that the Dial is Original; I will now try to find a suitable outer Case. The information about this Pocket Watch is made up of comments etc. that I have in my records. Regards Ray

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Thanks Jon, the Good English Pocket Watches are getting harder for the 2 Vultures to get. Regards Ray

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